1 00:00:12,250 --> 00:00:06,150 you 2 00:00:17,290 --> 00:00:14,460 [Music] 3 00:00:20,679 --> 00:00:17,300 thanks Eric Eric for the invitation to 4 00:00:22,359 --> 00:00:20,689 talk today so yeah my lab studies these 5 00:00:28,240 --> 00:00:22,369 King the synthetic iron oxidizing 6 00:00:30,099 --> 00:00:28,250 bacteria and on the one up here standing 7 00:00:32,830 --> 00:00:30,109 and presenting today but this is really 8 00:00:35,500 --> 00:00:32,840 the work of Gerald Murray who just got 9 00:00:37,810 --> 00:00:35,510 his PhD in Kerstin kuso's lab at the 10 00:00:40,600 --> 00:00:37,820 university of llena and roman Barco 11 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:40,610 who's a actually an NSF postdoc who 12 00:00:45,190 --> 00:00:42,530 splits his time between my lab and Ken 13 00:00:47,979 --> 00:00:45,200 Nealson slab at USC and I also like to 14 00:00:50,740 --> 00:00:47,989 thank NASA Astrobiology for funding and 15 00:00:55,780 --> 00:00:50,750 NSF and in case any of you were 16 00:00:59,830 --> 00:00:57,430 that little symbol there that's the 17 00:01:05,290 --> 00:00:59,840 alchemists sign for iron which is what 18 00:01:06,790 --> 00:01:05,300 we study so why iron first of all it's 19 00:01:10,570 --> 00:01:06,800 probably the most abundant 20 00:01:12,969 --> 00:01:10,580 chemosynthetic element on earth and 21 00:01:16,330 --> 00:01:12,979 probably on any other rocky planet that 22 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:16,340 we know about well maybe I shouldn't say 23 00:01:20,140 --> 00:01:18,650 that being in an astrobiology meeting 24 00:01:22,030 --> 00:01:20,150 but anyway I'll say it anyway because 25 00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:22,040 I'm a microbiologist and I can say 26 00:01:29,590 --> 00:01:25,810 stupid things about geology and plants 27 00:01:31,450 --> 00:01:29,600 so so another thing is bio signature so 28 00:01:33,190 --> 00:01:31,460 I'm sure some of the member you've seen 29 00:01:34,630 --> 00:01:33,200 this paper that you recently came out in 30 00:01:40,359 --> 00:01:34,640 nature where they were claiming for 31 00:01:43,630 --> 00:01:40,369 these iron oxide bio signatures in 3.8 32 00:01:47,980 --> 00:01:43,640 or older Giga billion year old rocks or 33 00:01:51,789 --> 00:01:47,990 older from the Hudson Bay and you know 34 00:01:53,770 --> 00:01:51,799 very interesting I'm a I study modern 35 00:01:55,270 --> 00:01:53,780 systems I've never actually gone out in 36 00:01:58,859 --> 00:01:55,280 the field and collected a rock or looked 37 00:02:01,620 --> 00:01:58,869 at a rock slide under the microscope but 38 00:02:03,880 --> 00:02:01,630 when I look at these types of structures 39 00:02:05,800 --> 00:02:03,890 you know they are somewhat consistent 40 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:05,810 they certainly are not totally 41 00:02:09,249 --> 00:02:07,250 consistent with anything we see in the 42 00:02:14,640 --> 00:02:09,259 modern world but you know after four 43 00:02:18,220 --> 00:02:14,650 billion years who knows so I guess I'm a 44 00:02:21,910 --> 00:02:18,230 hopeful hopeful agnostic and that this 45 00:02:24,850 --> 00:02:21,920 work will really be borne out but just 46 00:02:27,190 --> 00:02:24,860 to show that you can find micro fossils 47 00:02:30,610 --> 00:02:27,200 that are very well preserved 48 00:02:32,620 --> 00:02:30,620 in this slide here is 170 million year 49 00:02:34,270 --> 00:02:32,630 old earth crust where you see all these 50 00:02:36,460 --> 00:02:34,280 little filamentous structures that are 51 00:02:38,950 --> 00:02:36,470 about one or two microns in diameter 52 00:02:41,410 --> 00:02:38,960 this is about a three week old culture 53 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:41,420 of an iron oxidizing bacteria that was 54 00:02:45,340 --> 00:02:43,610 grown in the lab and you can see there's 55 00:02:47,110 --> 00:02:45,350 a lot of similarity in those structures 56 00:02:49,150 --> 00:02:47,120 and when you look at the fine detail it 57 00:02:50,980 --> 00:02:49,160 becomes pretty clear that some of these 58 00:02:53,620 --> 00:02:50,990 types of structures clearly must have 59 00:02:55,450 --> 00:02:53,630 been formed by by microbes how closely 60 00:03:01,000 --> 00:02:55,460 related they are to the microbes we have 61 00:03:03,160 --> 00:03:01,010 today that's another question so we 62 00:03:06,310 --> 00:03:03,170 definitely see biogenic structures in 63 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:06,320 nature that these organisms form and 64 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:08,210 they can be small and large so on the 65 00:03:16,120 --> 00:03:13,850 left here is a intact microbial mat that 66 00:03:17,950 --> 00:03:16,130 we did a three dimensional imaging of 67 00:03:21,160 --> 00:03:17,960 with the confocal microscope and it was 68 00:03:23,440 --> 00:03:21,170 formed by this sheath forming bacterium 69 00:03:27,040 --> 00:03:23,450 here what's really cool about this is 70 00:03:29,170 --> 00:03:27,050 that that 50 micrometer or so layer at 71 00:03:31,720 --> 00:03:29,180 the leading edge of that mat is where 72 00:03:33,550 --> 00:03:31,730 all these sheaf forming bacteria are and 73 00:03:35,710 --> 00:03:33,560 all its red materials just the empty 74 00:03:37,810 --> 00:03:35,720 sheets that they leave behind so they 75 00:03:39,610 --> 00:03:37,820 really are geo engineers or ecological 76 00:03:42,729 --> 00:03:39,620 engineers they structure their 77 00:03:45,430 --> 00:03:42,739 environments and produce massive amounts 78 00:03:47,920 --> 00:03:45,440 of this amorphous very hydrate which is 79 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:47,930 quite a reactive mineral to go to the 80 00:03:53,740 --> 00:03:52,010 other scale this is a the golden tower 81 00:03:55,810 --> 00:03:53,750 which we discovered a couple of years 82 00:03:59,320 --> 00:03:55,820 ago while doing submersible dives at the 83 00:04:01,330 --> 00:03:59,330 aschen event site and mariana that 84 00:04:03,370 --> 00:04:01,340 little bar down there is 10 centimeters 85 00:04:05,470 --> 00:04:03,380 so this structure is nearly 10 meters 86 00:04:07,150 --> 00:04:05,480 tall and it seemed as far as we could 87 00:04:09,220 --> 00:04:07,160 tell it was composed primarily a 88 00:04:12,250 --> 00:04:09,230 bacteria that looked like this form 89 00:04:14,620 --> 00:04:12,260 these long stalks so this is formed over 90 00:04:17,530 --> 00:04:14,630 a diffuse event flow where there was 91 00:04:19,479 --> 00:04:17,540 iron coming out and it just slowly built 92 00:04:21,789 --> 00:04:19,489 up over time as far as we could tell and 93 00:04:23,680 --> 00:04:21,799 form this massive structure in fact very 94 00:04:25,450 --> 00:04:23,690 interesting too that they undergo very 95 00:04:29,980 --> 00:04:25,460 little grazing and things like that by 96 00:04:31,810 --> 00:04:29,990 protozoa or shrimp so they don't undergo 97 00:04:34,390 --> 00:04:31,820 the same kinds of pressures that for 98 00:04:35,860 --> 00:04:34,400 example sulfur oxidizing mats too so 99 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:35,870 they so they have the potential to 100 00:04:39,860 --> 00:04:37,410 really accumulate 101 00:04:42,140 --> 00:04:39,870 so what's going on how do these bacteria 102 00:04:44,900 --> 00:04:42,150 actually oxidizing iron and that's the 103 00:04:46,900 --> 00:04:44,910 primary topic I want to discuss today so 104 00:04:50,270 --> 00:04:46,910 this is a model that we came up with 105 00:04:52,790 --> 00:04:50,280 published last year which is based on 106 00:04:55,070 --> 00:04:52,800 both comparative genomics and some 107 00:04:56,870 --> 00:04:55,080 wholesale proteomics we did with an 108 00:04:58,670 --> 00:04:56,880 organism we've been studying in lab for 109 00:05:01,340 --> 00:04:58,680 a while Mary profundus roxton's 110 00:05:04,490 --> 00:05:01,350 so this is an example of extracellular 111 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:04,500 electrons transfer because it cells they 112 00:05:08,000 --> 00:05:06,570 so they oxidize iron on the outer 113 00:05:09,980 --> 00:05:08,010 membrane because again they have the 114 00:05:11,420 --> 00:05:09,990 problem as soon a neutral pH as soon as 115 00:05:13,640 --> 00:05:11,430 you oxidize iron you immediately 116 00:05:15,050 --> 00:05:13,650 precipitate a faery hydride mineral if 117 00:05:17,870 --> 00:05:15,060 you do inside the cell you're going to 118 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:17,880 fill yourself with insoluble iron oxides 119 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:20,970 so we believe this process should occur 120 00:05:24,410 --> 00:05:22,650 at the outer membrane so there you have 121 00:05:26,990 --> 00:05:24,420 floor you have to get electrons from the 122 00:05:28,580 --> 00:05:27,000 outer membrane across the periplasm to 123 00:05:31,850 --> 00:05:28,590 the inner membrane to the electron 124 00:05:33,860 --> 00:05:31,860 transport chain and so we found in all 125 00:05:35,630 --> 00:05:33,870 the iron oxidizers both from freshwater 126 00:05:41,360 --> 00:05:35,640 and marine systems that we've looked at 127 00:05:44,840 --> 00:05:41,370 is this cyc to homolog should call cyc 128 00:05:48,190 --> 00:05:44,850 to pv-1 and we believe this could be the 129 00:05:52,120 --> 00:05:48,200 did the initial iron oxidase this is a 130 00:05:56,780 --> 00:05:52,130 it's a poor in cytochrome C complex and 131 00:05:58,910 --> 00:05:56,790 and then electrons would so that would 132 00:06:00,320 --> 00:05:58,920 be the initial electron acceptor and 133 00:06:01,610 --> 00:06:00,330 that electrons get transferred across 134 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:01,620 the periplasm 135 00:06:06,020 --> 00:06:04,410 through we found some other cytochromes 136 00:06:08,060 --> 00:06:06,030 it could be potential shuttles whether 137 00:06:09,710 --> 00:06:08,070 your shuttles or could form a wire we 138 00:06:12,170 --> 00:06:09,720 don't really know and then there's an 139 00:06:17,270 --> 00:06:12,180 electron transport chain which has the 140 00:06:20,300 --> 00:06:17,280 different components interesting aspects 141 00:06:22,040 --> 00:06:20,310 of this are this alternative complex 3 142 00:06:25,340 --> 00:06:22,050 which we quite commonly find the 143 00:06:27,110 --> 00:06:25,350 military oxido reductase system and then 144 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:27,120 most of these organisms use the 145 00:06:32,390 --> 00:06:29,970 cytochrome C VD 3 type terminal oxidase 146 00:06:34,340 --> 00:06:32,400 which is a high affinity iron oxidation 147 00:06:42,670 --> 00:06:34,350 that makes sense because we think these 148 00:06:44,900 --> 00:06:42,680 organs are generally micro silica so 149 00:06:47,300 --> 00:06:44,910 that's what we've known and most of the 150 00:06:48,790 --> 00:06:47,310 organs we've isolated have been obligate 151 00:06:52,510 --> 00:06:48,800 iron oxidizes I should 152 00:06:54,700 --> 00:06:52,520 say but recently relaxed not that recent 153 00:06:56,529 --> 00:06:54,710 now but a few years ago I isolated this 154 00:06:59,469 --> 00:06:56,539 new organism which were just in the 155 00:07:02,320 --> 00:06:59,479 process of publishing on and of calling 156 00:07:03,659 --> 00:07:02,330 it your CEO by Laura it represents a new 157 00:07:06,189 --> 00:07:03,669 genus in this group of Zeta 158 00:07:08,260 --> 00:07:06,199 proteobacteria Zeta proteobacteria are 159 00:07:11,020 --> 00:07:08,270 almost exclusively iron oxidizers that 160 00:07:13,659 --> 00:07:11,030 live in marine environments so isolated 161 00:07:15,249 --> 00:07:13,669 one strain from the tagged vent site in 162 00:07:17,110 --> 00:07:15,259 the mid-atlantic ridge and another one 163 00:07:19,149 --> 00:07:17,120 from the snail vents in the Marianas on 164 00:07:22,119 --> 00:07:19,159 the opposite sides of the world at least 165 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:22,129 and it's kind of a nondescript organism 166 00:07:25,390 --> 00:07:23,690 in terms of them if you have a lot of 167 00:07:28,059 --> 00:07:25,400 the other iron oxidizers it's a little 168 00:07:30,070 --> 00:07:28,069 rod and it forms these very amorphous 169 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:30,080 particulate iron oxides it doesn't make 170 00:07:34,089 --> 00:07:31,490 any of those structures that I was 171 00:07:37,839 --> 00:07:34,099 showing earlier but what's really cool 172 00:07:40,589 --> 00:07:37,849 about it is it grow not only on iron but 173 00:07:43,149 --> 00:07:40,599 also on hydrogen and so those 174 00:07:45,730 --> 00:07:43,159 organization on or enriched and isolated 175 00:07:48,219 --> 00:07:45,740 on zero valent iron which is both a 176 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:48,229 source of iron and we use it as that but 177 00:07:51,189 --> 00:07:49,490 you also have to be careful because it 178 00:07:54,670 --> 00:07:51,199 can be a source of hydrogen as well and 179 00:07:56,050 --> 00:07:54,680 it turned out this organism grew really 180 00:07:57,969 --> 00:07:56,060 well in the enrichment and part of the 181 00:07:59,709 --> 00:07:57,979 reason was that because it was growing 182 00:08:01,779 --> 00:07:59,719 both on the iron and the hydrogen and 183 00:08:04,659 --> 00:08:01,789 when we separate those out and grow it 184 00:08:07,300 --> 00:08:04,669 on ferrous chloride or hydrogen you can 185 00:08:09,909 --> 00:08:07,310 see in the squares here is the hydrogen 186 00:08:11,830 --> 00:08:09,919 it grows a little bit better and in the 187 00:08:15,070 --> 00:08:11,840 circles here is growing on ferrous 188 00:08:17,230 --> 00:08:15,080 chloride and a pretty pretty decent cell 189 00:08:19,809 --> 00:08:17,240 yields and doubling times on the order 190 00:08:21,850 --> 00:08:19,819 of 15 to 20 hours if you don't add 191 00:08:25,930 --> 00:08:21,860 either hydrogen or iron there's no 192 00:08:28,180 --> 00:08:25,940 growth so we sequence the genomes of 193 00:08:30,159 --> 00:08:28,190 these two organisms and found that they 194 00:08:33,250 --> 00:08:30,169 did indeed have hydrogenase the 195 00:08:37,719 --> 00:08:33,260 hydrogenation subunits for uptake of 196 00:08:39,370 --> 00:08:37,729 hydrogen and then we compared so we have 197 00:08:41,260 --> 00:08:39,380 a bunch of single-cell genomes from 198 00:08:43,839 --> 00:08:41,270 others ada proteobacteria that we've 199 00:08:46,150 --> 00:08:43,849 isolated or sorry we haven't ISIL we've 200 00:08:50,620 --> 00:08:46,160 isolated the single cells and sequence 201 00:08:52,540 --> 00:08:50,630 the genomes and we found that they all 202 00:08:56,530 --> 00:08:52,550 belong to this single clade here which 203 00:08:58,420 --> 00:08:56,540 recalls 800 tu9 and they were different 204 00:09:01,390 --> 00:08:58,430 from these other isolates that we have 205 00:09:04,150 --> 00:09:01,400 which represent different clades within 206 00:09:06,070 --> 00:09:04,160 group and so that was interesting so it 207 00:09:07,990 --> 00:09:06,080 seemed like it was this one clade that 208 00:09:11,560 --> 00:09:08,000 we have that it seems to have the 209 00:09:14,350 --> 00:09:11,570 ability to it has these hydrogenases 210 00:09:18,250 --> 00:09:14,360 that are capable of promoting growth on 211 00:09:20,230 --> 00:09:18,260 hydrogen and so then we were asked the 212 00:09:24,100 --> 00:09:20,240 question of well how where are they 213 00:09:27,700 --> 00:09:24,110 found and so we scraped the short read 214 00:09:29,830 --> 00:09:27,710 archive to look specifically for this 215 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:29,840 particular group and so we found about 216 00:09:35,140 --> 00:09:33,290 50,000 projects that have been done that 217 00:09:37,300 --> 00:09:35,150 are non-human associated there's about 218 00:09:39,670 --> 00:09:37,310 30,000 human associated projects in 219 00:09:42,190 --> 00:09:39,680 there and we found only about four or 220 00:09:44,260 --> 00:09:42,200 five projects where the this particular 221 00:09:46,360 --> 00:09:44,270 OTU is found and they were all at higher 222 00:09:48,340 --> 00:09:46,370 environments that makes us think these 223 00:09:50,860 --> 00:09:48,350 organisms although they can grow on 224 00:09:57,400 --> 00:09:50,870 hydrogen they may be more adapted for 225 00:10:01,480 --> 00:09:57,410 growing on iron so what can we learn so 226 00:10:03,160 --> 00:10:01,490 I meant to say that the beauty of having 227 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:03,170 this organism is everything we've done 228 00:10:06,490 --> 00:10:04,730 before was done an obligate iron 229 00:10:08,710 --> 00:10:06,500 oxidizer so now we have an organism that 230 00:10:11,380 --> 00:10:08,720 can grow on both hydrogen iron we can at 231 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:11,390 least do some comparative proteomics in 232 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:13,370 this case and so this was work that 233 00:10:22,660 --> 00:10:16,490 Romans been doing and so I'm showing 234 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:22,670 here is the proteome map so so we as I 235 00:10:26,530 --> 00:10:24,530 said we sequence the genome it's about 236 00:10:29,140 --> 00:10:26,540 99 plus percent complete but there are 237 00:10:31,270 --> 00:10:29,150 gaps in it so these shows the 13 238 00:10:33,430 --> 00:10:31,280 different contexts on the outside here 239 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:33,440 which is the genome and then all the 240 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:35,450 proteins that we identified are in this 241 00:10:40,480 --> 00:10:37,970 inner blue ring here and then proteins 242 00:10:45,010 --> 00:10:40,490 that are upregulated on hydrogen are 243 00:10:49,120 --> 00:10:45,020 shown in the green and on iron on in the 244 00:10:51,010 --> 00:10:49,130 red so basically we found about 42 245 00:10:53,290 --> 00:10:51,020 percent of the proteins and the 246 00:10:55,180 --> 00:10:53,300 proteomics experiment and about a 247 00:10:59,320 --> 00:10:55,190 hundred of them are upregulated on iron 248 00:11:03,430 --> 00:10:59,330 and about 1.5 or I'm sorry about 150 249 00:11:04,930 --> 00:11:03,440 were upregulated on hydrogen and it's 250 00:11:06,430 --> 00:11:04,940 easy for me to put this slide up here 251 00:11:07,900 --> 00:11:06,440 and talk about it but took Rome on 252 00:11:10,660 --> 00:11:07,910 several months to do this you had to 253 00:11:13,690 --> 00:11:10,670 grow all these cells in triplicate 254 00:11:16,270 --> 00:11:13,700 batches to get really robust statistics 255 00:11:18,550 --> 00:11:16,280 and the challenge with these we can't do 256 00:11:19,900 --> 00:11:18,560 genetics with them and the challenge 257 00:11:21,310 --> 00:11:19,910 with biochemistry is getting enough 258 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:21,320 biomass and then you've got all these 259 00:11:24,430 --> 00:11:23,090 iron oxides around that you have to deal 260 00:11:25,780 --> 00:11:24,440 with the hydrogen actually was a lot 261 00:11:28,000 --> 00:11:25,790 easier of course because we didn't have 262 00:11:30,580 --> 00:11:28,010 the iron around but still it was it was 263 00:11:35,470 --> 00:11:30,590 a technical challenge to do this and so 264 00:11:38,290 --> 00:11:35,480 what did we find in terms of the 265 00:11:40,780 --> 00:11:38,300 comparative proteomics in terms of what 266 00:11:43,960 --> 00:11:40,790 was expressed and what wasn't so we 267 00:11:47,400 --> 00:11:43,970 found the hydrogenase operon on hydrogen 268 00:11:50,350 --> 00:11:47,410 was more highly expressed that was good 269 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:50,360 we found that the phosphate that there's 270 00:11:53,740 --> 00:11:52,130 a transport system for phosphate which 271 00:11:55,540 --> 00:11:53,750 is highly expressed on iron this is 272 00:11:57,880 --> 00:11:55,550 actually nice internal control because 273 00:11:59,710 --> 00:11:57,890 as e self expire knock sides those iron 274 00:12:02,170 --> 00:11:59,720 oxides very strongly buying phosphorus 275 00:12:03,970 --> 00:12:02,180 and so the fact that they overexpressed 276 00:12:06,400 --> 00:12:03,980 these systems for taking up phosphorus 277 00:12:09,310 --> 00:12:06,410 is sort of makes sense there was also 278 00:12:11,200 --> 00:12:09,320 this thyroid auxin reductase which is 279 00:12:14,440 --> 00:12:11,210 involved and one of the things that's 280 00:12:16,270 --> 00:12:14,450 involved in is probably defense against 281 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:16,280 reactive oxygen species again when you 282 00:12:20,020 --> 00:12:17,930 have iron around an oxygen you're going 283 00:12:22,140 --> 00:12:20,030 to get the potential for reactive oxygen 284 00:12:24,970 --> 00:12:22,150 species these lawyers had to deal with 285 00:12:27,490 --> 00:12:24,980 what was not differentially regulated 286 00:12:29,500 --> 00:12:27,500 with Rubisco there their ability to 287 00:12:34,510 --> 00:12:29,510 succeed too that's not surprising or the 288 00:12:37,930 --> 00:12:34,520 CVD 3 the AC t system also was expressed 289 00:12:43,290 --> 00:12:37,940 in both cases and the cyc 2 was also 290 00:12:45,730 --> 00:12:43,300 expressed about equivalently this was a 291 00:12:47,380 --> 00:12:45,740 little disappointing I guess because of 292 00:12:49,270 --> 00:12:47,390 course we were hoping to see this stuff 293 00:12:52,540 --> 00:12:49,280 regulated when they were growing on hot 294 00:12:54,580 --> 00:12:52,550 on iron and downregulated a hydrogen so 295 00:12:58,900 --> 00:12:54,590 the case was true for how the hydrogen 296 00:13:00,880 --> 00:12:58,910 is but not for the cyc 2 so I'll just 297 00:13:03,970 --> 00:13:00,890 come back to the model here so I mean it 298 00:13:05,350 --> 00:13:03,980 was good that we saw cyc 2 highly 299 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:05,360 expressed in these because we'd only 300 00:13:11,100 --> 00:13:07,730 done this in a different species before 301 00:13:14,140 --> 00:13:11,110 so that's consistent with it being there 302 00:13:15,610 --> 00:13:14,150 we didn't see the cyc one we think 303 00:13:19,720 --> 00:13:15,620 there's a different system that they may 304 00:13:21,250 --> 00:13:19,730 use for shuttling electrons so you know 305 00:13:23,980 --> 00:13:21,260 what's going on here in terms of this 306 00:13:26,140 --> 00:13:23,990 well I can wave my hands and say they're 307 00:13:27,340 --> 00:13:26,150 probably constitutively expressing the 308 00:13:29,560 --> 00:13:27,350 cyc 2 and 309 00:13:31,420 --> 00:13:29,570 and the primary argument I could make 310 00:13:33,190 --> 00:13:31,430 sure that an ecological right but these 311 00:13:35,500 --> 00:13:33,200 organs really want to grow on iron and 312 00:13:37,900 --> 00:13:35,510 so they always have they're always ready 313 00:13:40,330 --> 00:13:37,910 to grow on iron but if some hydrogen 314 00:13:42,790 --> 00:13:40,340 comes along and they can adapt and take 315 00:13:46,570 --> 00:13:42,800 over and use that instead so with that 316 00:13:48,490 --> 00:13:46,580 I'm going to conclude again these 317 00:13:51,130 --> 00:13:48,500 neutral philic iron oxidizers are 318 00:13:55,120 --> 00:13:51,140 obligate and this utilized 319 00:13:58,570 --> 00:13:55,130 extracellular electron transfer and as I 320 00:14:01,330 --> 00:13:58,580 said cyc too seems to be constitutively 321 00:14:04,540 --> 00:14:01,340 expressed and I just talked about the 322 00:14:05,920 --> 00:14:04,550 the ecological reason for that but 323 00:14:07,450 --> 00:14:05,930 another thing that we're thinking about 324 00:14:10,930 --> 00:14:07,460 it would be really interesting now is 325 00:14:13,030 --> 00:14:10,940 perhaps your sea of Ivor is essential as 326 00:14:15,580 --> 00:14:13,040 a sentinel for the presence of hydrogen 327 00:14:17,830 --> 00:14:15,590 a diffuse flow events because we only 328 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:17,840 see it in some communities so it would 329 00:14:20,140 --> 00:14:19,010 be interesting go out and see if those 330 00:14:29,890 --> 00:14:20,150 are the communities where as more 331 00:14:32,470 --> 00:14:29,900 hydrogen present so thanks thank you 332 00:14:39,780 --> 00:14:32,480 Dave time for again probably one 333 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:42,240 hi David my name is Sandra um I was only 334 00:14:45,810 --> 00:14:43,810 thinking expand a little bit on the 335 00:14:51,900 --> 00:14:45,820 electron transport mechanism across the 336 00:14:55,379 --> 00:14:51,910 membrane a little bit so you know I mean 337 00:14:57,509 --> 00:14:55,389 we think that that there there's the 338 00:15:00,060 --> 00:14:57,519 cytochromes they're probably involved in 339 00:15:02,310 --> 00:15:00,070 shuttling electrons from the outer 340 00:15:04,410 --> 00:15:02,320 membrane or from that I mean we we're 341 00:15:07,110 --> 00:15:04,420 still I mean I should our models still 342 00:15:09,150 --> 00:15:07,120 based around a cyc - like proteins being 343 00:15:13,590 --> 00:15:09,160 that outer that does the initial contact 344 00:15:16,610 --> 00:15:13,600 with Fe - and oxidizes the FE 3 and that 345 00:15:19,160 --> 00:15:16,620 then those electrons are transferred and 346 00:15:21,300 --> 00:15:19,170 yeah so we don't find some of the 347 00:15:23,610 --> 00:15:21,310 canonical proteins that have been found 348 00:15:27,090 --> 00:15:23,620 for example in acidify Oh bacillus that 349 00:15:30,660 --> 00:15:27,100 are involved in that process you know we 350 00:15:32,550 --> 00:15:30,670 don't find necessarily the same systems 351 00:15:34,800 --> 00:15:32,560 it would be in some of the iron reducers 352 00:15:38,280 --> 00:15:34,810 which go in the other direction 353 00:15:40,579 --> 00:15:38,290 so you know whether this is some kind of 354 00:15:43,769 --> 00:15:40,589 a shuttle system where there's a soluble 355 00:15:46,889 --> 00:15:43,779 cytochrome that does that transfer or 356 00:15:48,300 --> 00:15:46,899 whether there's actually a he or chain 357 00:15:50,370 --> 00:15:48,310 of heenes or something like that but 358 00:15:52,889 --> 00:15:50,380 after the wire these organs have some 359 00:15:55,139 --> 00:15:52,899 fairly large gene groups in them but not 360 00:16:00,389 --> 00:15:55,149 as not as large as for example geo 361 00:16:03,269 --> 00:16:00,399 bacter we don't tend to find cytochromes 362 00:16:07,230 --> 00:16:03,279 that have say 30 or 40 your genes in 363 00:16:08,850 --> 00:16:07,240 them or cytokines and groups in them but 364 00:16:11,189 --> 00:16:08,860 they some of them have 10 to 20 but 365 00:16:12,900 --> 00:16:11,199 we're still that's we're trying to sort 366 00:16:14,340 --> 00:16:12,910 that out one thing I would say is I 367 00:16:16,439 --> 00:16:14,350 don't think there's any Universal 368 00:16:18,059 --> 00:16:16,449 mechanism here I think you know each 369 00:16:19,620 --> 00:16:18,069 system that each organism 370 00:16:20,550 --> 00:16:19,630 maybe not each organism but I think 371 00:16:24,329 --> 00:16:20,560 there's going to be quite a bit of 372 00:16:25,860 --> 00:16:24,339 modularity in this system thank you okay